Fred Picker’s Zone VI Workshop

Fred Picker (1927-2002) was a black and white photographer who pioneered the “Zone VI” variation of the Zone System of B&W photography first perfected by Ansel Adams. Whereas Ansel exposed for the shadows and developed the negative for the high values, Fred liked to “put the highest value on Zone VIII and take the picture.” But with a corollary of “except Sometimes,” he said. “When there is not enough contrast place the high value on Zone VI-1/2 and develop to Zone VIII.” He felt that these practices would result in a more usable negative capable of producing the best results in the darkroom.

It’s a shame he didn’t live to see the possibilities of digital black and white photography. Digital photography was well under way before he died on April 3, 2002, so he might have had some thoughts on it. Whatever those thoughts may have been I don’t know but given that he believed the best parts of photography were the methods employed by the photographer in the field at the moment the photograph was first visualized in the mind’s eye, the equipment set up, and the negative exposed, I’m not sure he would have been enthusiastic about digital photography, at least in the black and white format.

He liked to use a 4×5 view camera not only because of its large negative but also because of the time for concentration and reflection allowed the photographer while setting up the equipment to take the shot. Snap shots are made with point and shoot cameras, but well crafted photographs are to be taken with 4×5 cameras. Ansel used an 8×10 as did Edward Weston. It’s not that the equipment makes the photographer, but these friendly old cameras slow you down and let you put your artistic talents, such as they may be, to work.

The video below has been made private. Not sure why. I would think the owner would welcome wide viewing of it, but I guess not.

The Legacy Of Fred Picker

If the world is a just place, Fred Picker will be remembered as one of the best teachers of photography in the history of the medium. His methods enabled anyone to learn the craft, while his emphasis remained on the art. “Don’t be creative when you should be mechanical,” Fred constantly said, “And don’t be mechanical when you should be creative.” He tried to clearly separate the technical aspects, the craft, from the aesthetic, the art, finding ways to make the craft easier and more consistent, so that it took less of the photographer’s attention. Ideally, that attention, freed up by routines and habits could be applied to making better pictures. “The hardest part of photography,” Fred admonished, “Is finding the right place to stand.” Meaning that the technical stuff is really quite easy, while finding and framing pictures worth making is a life’s work. His emphasis on simplified equipment, using one film and developer combination, and making habits of processing and printing were liberating, because eliminating choices freed the imagination to more closely explore the world.

The rest of The Legacy of Fred Picker can be found at Circle of the Sun Productions Checked this on 01/11/2016 and this site seems to no longer exist.

Fred Picker owned and operated Zone VI Studio of Newfane, Vermont where he manufactured fine 4×5 cameras and specialized photographic equipment sought out by fine art photographers. Calumet of Chicago bought his company before he died and today makes and markets products based upon Fred’s original designs. Fred Picker ran summer workshops for budding fine art photographers in Vermont every year for at least twenty years.

I attended Fred’s Zone VI summer workshop in Putney, Vermont from August 2nd to August 10th of 1986. I kept a diary of that week that I occasionally read in order to re-live the adventure. It’s quite a memory.

It is probably narcissism that makes one want to share a diary with the world and the height of chutzpah to think that anyone else will want to read it. Nevertheless, I have with great temerity decided to post it here because it is as much or more about the Zone VI workshop and Fred Picker as it is about me.

So here, dear reader, is that diary:

Saturday, August 2, 1986

      The Putney School is a private boarding school for boys and girls grades 9 through 12. It is academically well regarded. While is was once most noted as a music school it now tries to avoid classification. Music appears to be an important part of the curriculum, but a broad-based liberal arts education with emphasis on personal learning experience is the desired goal.

All this was learned from Adrian, an 11th grade student who showed me to my room. Adrian is orginally from Keene, N.H., but now considers The Putney School her home. Her parents reside in Keene. Adrian isn’t sure where she’ll go to college, but it will definitely be an ivy league school, “If I can get in,” she said.

The Putney campus is a farm. It is about a half mile down (up?) a broken asphalt road that connects with one of the many scenic and well-paved country lanes in the area. It is on relatively high ground with scenic vistas in three directions. The milking barn and stables are important landmarks as are the many beautiful swimming holes. Most of the campus is densely forested. What isn’t planted in corn, that is. Dirt roads and trails snake the campus like veins.

The dormitories are two-story wood frame structures nestled in the trees. I was lucky. My room is a double on the 2nd floor with bay windows at opposite ends of the room. The downstairs rooms must accomodate the hallway so have only one window.

The room is all wood. Walls, furniture, closets, everything. The view from the bay window is of dense forest. The light in the room is sparse, except in the bay window where it is wonderful soft light filtered through the trees. The sides of each window open allowing a breeze. I am sitting in the bay window with my back to one side, my feet to the other. I imagine that much learning is done in this room, in this spot, in this position.

Upon arrival I checked in, met Lil Farber and picked up an information packet containing a copy of Vermont Life, some Maps and a Zone VI catalog. After moving into my room my instructions are to turn in my portfolio to a staff member who gives me a brief interview.

“What do you expect to get out of this workshop?” she asks. I give her a glib answer. She is about 30, blonde, and has the hairest legs I’ve ever seen.

Next, I go to another building to discuss my “homework” with Tim Frazier, a staff member. He is also about 30, lean, and a runner. He promises to show me all the running courses he has scoped out around the farm. The campus at Putney School is referred to as “the farm.”

Next I get my picture taken. This is not as unpleasant as it could have been, considering that I don’t like to smile.

These tasks completed I have about two hours to kill before dinner. This time was well spent moving into my room and feeling like a kid. If I were a kid, a student here, I wouldn’t have this room to myself. At least I might hope for a better roommate than the three or four blowhards downstairs smoking cigarettes and trying to impress each other with conversation.

Alone in my room, at this moment, is very satisfying. But now it is 6 PM, time for supper.

* * *

And it was great. Buffet of artichoke and chicken dumplings, fresh vegetables and fruit, wine and coffee. My seat was next to Brad, a pro from Philadelphia who is an alumnus, i.e., this is his second time at the Zone VI Workshop. While we are on field trips he will talk to the instructors about special problems he has encountered, etc.

The emphasis is not on technique. It is perception, they say, that must be developed. I think they are right. Technique is mechanical and most anyone can learn it. A perfect exposure that is perfectly printed is a waste of time if it isn’t a picture worth looking at. The final print should convey to the viewer the emotional impact the scene made on the photographer at the time the photograph was taken. If the photographer lacks the sensitivity to receive the emotion of the scene, the photograph won’t convey anything to the viewer.

Fred Picker gave a lecture tonight in which he said they try to overcome the students’ preoccupation with technique and get them to start seeing. I see what he means. I overheard conversations all day by people talking about f-stops and how primitive the equipment is here.

* * *

      Fred Picker said in his lecture that he started in photography by going to an Ansel Adams workshop in Carmel, California when he was 40. So, I’m not too old. I found out the woman with hairy legs is 39 and she is world renowned for her photography. Her work is on display at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York and other museums. She was a personal friend of Paul Strand and has several published books. She’s probably too busy to shave.

I’m going running tomorrow with Tim Frazier, one of the instructors. He is also accomplished with several published books of his work. He runs 7:15 miles, about 8 at a time.

Sunday, August 3, 1986

      My room is full of all manner of flying insects. The things are enormous. I killed a red one last night, a pale green one this morning. It was 2 inches long and unlike anything I have ever seen. Maybe I should have photographed it. No, I don’t need any bugs.

After a four-mile run and hearty breakfast we had a lecture by Fred Picker on the Zone System. He’s got a good sense of humor. When one of his demonstrations didn’t work he threw up his hands and said “Well, you get the idea.” Of course, then he repeated it, made it work, and explained what had happened the first time. If had to do with the difference in response of polaroid film to daylight and tungsten light.

The most important thing I learned this morning is that even though 8 zones are a pretty natural phenomenon that might have been predicted by a theorist, the difference in reflectance between a white card and black card in the same light, whether bright sun or shade, is only four stops. That means the two cards would not show up as pure white and pure black in a black and white photograph. You could choose an exposure that would place either the black card as pure black or the white card as pure white, but the other would be gray. Introduce shade into the scene and everything changes. If the black card were in shade rather than bright sun, its reflectance would be 2-1/2 stops less. Now there would be 6-1/2 stops difference if the white card were in the sun. If the black card were placed on Zone II, almost pure black, the white card would fall on Zone VIII-1/2, almost pure white. No more than about 10% (or less) of the entire scene in a B&W photograph should ever be pure black or pure white. Otherwise, it will have no life. It will be like Bach played on a computer.

Skipped lunch, wisely. Took some polaroids and threw them away. My contribution to art for today.

Spent the afternoon in the darkroom learning technique for making a proper proof, test strip for a pilot print and film developing pointers. I must learn to load a stainless steel reel in the dark. It’s a matter of outsmarting the imps who design such things.

Lil Farber is a rather elegant senior citizen who is determined to impart artistic appreciation to the Zone VI workshop students. This was the assignment after supper, to retire to the gallery and name your favorite photograph there and tell how it makes you feel, what emotions it evokes. No explanations, no reasons, she warned. Just say what you feel. Does it move you? How? Don’t try to explain the photograph. Just describe the feeling you get from it. It, just one out of the whole collection, whichever one it is that casts a spell on you. I don’t know about this approach. I don’t think it works for me. I guess I don’t trust “feelings” that much. Intuition I trust. Feelings are something else. Too 60’s, if it feels good go for it sort of thing. That approach to life has caused a lot of trouble. Feelings need to be explained, not just felt. Feelings need to be moderated by thinking. So, sorry Lil, I can’t do it that way. I know you mean well, though. Maybe it works for you. I will say one thing for feelings, though. While things that feel good can be bad for you, and usually are, things that feel bad really are bad most of the time. Human condition I guess.

There are many good photographs in the collection. I envy them. I want to do it like that! It is easy when you see it, impossible until you do.

Finally, a movie on Edward Weston. He remains unequaled. I guess all good photographers should be because two don’t see the same. His photographs are striking. He wrote that people often said he must have a very good camera and lens. He was actually using a mediocre lens and his camera was an ancient cumbersome thing that was falling apart. He wondered why people didn’t understand that “a photograph, like all good things, is made with the brain.” Of course, you still need a camera of some sort. It would be nice if you could look at something, think real hard about it, and have a finished print come out your ear. But I get his point.

Weston kept a “day book” that was eventually published. He burned about 3 years of it once. He later regretted it and vowed to never do it again. He had done it because it was painful to go back and see how immature he had been. I’m not immature, but I may be something as bad, or worse. Therefore, I shall never read this. [!]

Maybe Weston’s nude photos were made during his immature period. Too bad he didn’t burn those as well because, with one exception, they are awful. Lacking in life, they could be coroner’s photos. Of course, if he had burned them we might not have the one great one that he did make. It’s the one in which he achieves his goal of “a stronger way of seeing.”

Weston was compelled to keep a journal. He said, “I’ve discovered why I write. It is because it is a way of learning. It enables me to clarify my thoughts.”

* * *

The dormitory is for real. The guys downstairs are mostly over 50 [that seemed old then, not now], but they make noise until late so it’s impossible to get to sleep early. The building is like cardboard. If someone farts at the South end, everyone in the North end can hear it. Outside, at night, a strong one could be heard for miles.

Tomorrow’s events are unknown at this point.

Monday, August 4, 1986

“Put the high value on Zone VIII,* and take the picture.” This is Fred Picker’s simplified Zone System. It is the antithesis of “expose for the shadows and develop for the high values.” Fred’s system gives you the most density in a usable negative, therefore the best negative, supposedly. I’ll try it. I hope there’s a newsletter on this [there was].

[At this point my diary has the following comment in the margin, responding to the asterisk above: “*Except sometimes. When not enough contrast place high value on Zone VI −1/2 and develop to Zone VIII.” The idea of “placing the high value” assumes the use of a spot meter to find the high and low values in the scene, preferable a Zone VI modified Pentax Spot Meter.]

Vermont is the blueberry capital of the world. For a lover of blueberries, such as I, it is heaven. Blueberries are as common here as rocks in Colorado.

More about Putney school. The woman who is head of the school (headmistress?) spoke briefly yesterday. The school was founded 50 years ago by a woman who believed students age 14-18 need a farm experience. All students at Putney School have “AM farm chores.” That means milking cows in the worst smelling, s— smeared barn I’ve ever seen, at 5:00 AM. [I’ve since confirmed that dairy cow barns smell a lot worse than the herford barns I knew growing up in Wyoming. Actually the barn smell was only in the morning because the students not only milked the dairy cows, they also shoveled out the manure which was hauled away daily in a large trailer]

They grow their own vegetables here and they are delicious. We have a sampling at dinner every evening.

I wasn’t sure of the time for developing with HC-110. I developed 9:40 as I do with D-76. It was too long and ruined the film. I’m not going to do that anymore. Fred says making the negative is the score, making the print in the darkroom is the performance.

Tuesday, August 5, 1986

[no entry]

Wednesday, August 6, 1986

It must be inevitable that devotion becomes skepticism at some point. My initial acceptance as gospel of whatever was said by a Zone VI staff member is now tempered by mild skepticism. Not as to technical matters; there they are masters. But I cannot without qualification accept everything they say about the aesthetic quality of a photograph. Some of the photographs held up as examples of greatness just seem dull to me. A few of my own photographs seem as good aesthetically, if not technically, to a few of the greats here. I seldom think other people’s photographs are worse than mine.

The woman with the hairy legs and hairy arm pits is Susan B————, not Susan B———, as I earlier was mistaken. She is famous. She was a personal friend of Paul Strand and, after his death, was chosen to print many of his photographs. Strand’s photographs are marvelous, amazing, terrific. I don’t care much for her or her photographs, though.

She thinks it is wrong to explain what is good about a photograph. Look at it, say how it makes you feel. You must have feeling about any photograph she announces as great. But don’t explain it and don’t ask her for an explanation. It is all supposed to be abstract and esoteric. If you know how to see, you know. No explanation is necessary. In fact, it is wrong to think about an explanation.

[Reading this now it reminds of the Harley Davidson riders who say when asked why they ride a Harley, “If I have to explain it to you, you won’t understand.”]

This may be right [no it isn’t] but it goes too far. People need instruction on what makes art, what makes it good. There are common themes and patterns. Why can’t they be identified? Ansel Adams wasn’t afraid to to say what he thought made a photograph good, and Robert Frost wrote his essay, “The Figure a Poem Makes,” which explained his theory of poetry. He said, “A poem begins in delight and ends in wisdom.” That sounds like an explanation, a terse and witty explanation, and not a reliance on fickle and fallible “feelings.” [Alliterative explanation there]

I think most great artists have made an attempt to explain their medium in one way or another. The attitude here is too much “us” and “them.” The “us’ is those few good photographers who can see and make good photographs. Everybody who isn’t delighted is “them,” the great mass of dumbbells who can’t appreciate fine art. This is snobbery. I want to make photographs that most, or at least many, people would like. The attitude here is the better you are the smaller your audience. My audience is pretty small right now!

I hope to get better so more, not fewer, people will like my photographs.

[under construction, keep checking back]

  • Andrew

    Thanks for posting, it was a good read. I moved recently and while unpacking came across the Zone VI Newsletters. Never met the man but he seems like a nice chap and his workshop would have been a treat. After playing with digital for a few years, I am thinking about photographing with large format again. I have one of Fred’s Zone VI cameras. Digital may have some advantages; but, I enjoyed the process and craft and mystery of old school photography.

    • Andrew,

      Black and white film photography seemed like magic when I first tried it. Making the best negative you can in the camera, developing the film in total darkness, choosing a negative to print, watching the image come up in the developer tray under the red light, it was all very special and I miss it. But time constraints got in the way, I’ve sold all my darkroom equipment, etc. It a great memory that I wouldn’t trade for anything. Best of luck to you.

  • Picker & Zone VI was where photography finally began to make sense. . . we did not make it to a workshop, nor to meet Fred, but he was instrumental in finding the way to photographic creativity. I miss the Zone VI Newsletter. Very much looking forward to seeing the rest of your diary!

  • Larry

    I too attended a workshop in the mid 80’s. Fond memories. I will need to go back and determine the year for sure.

    Thanks for sharing it brings back many memories.

    • It’s a great memory of things past. Glad you found my post about it, and thanks for the comment.

  • Tedric

    I had every one of the news letters and looked at most of his pictures on line. Eventually I worked out that Fred Picker was the most brilliant teacher but could not take a photograph worth a second look. He was, like many people, obsessed with technique to the exclusion of every thing else. It was, as you said in your blog: ‘A perfect exposure that is perfectly printed is a waste of time if it isn’t a picture worth looking at’. His beaver pond photographs became photographic cliches.
    It gets worse. I was a working commercial photographer and when I retired I sold my equipment (including a 5 x 4 Sinar P) and bought the full Zone VI outfit. I was never so disappointed in my life. The camera was clunky to use and in spite of being touted as the most beautiful camera in the world, it was poorly finished and not worth the money. I sold it to a second hand dealer within six months who could not give me a good price for it because he already had three of them on his shelves. So, in Melbourne, Australia – not a huge market for Zone VI products – possibly the only four people who bought his camera had already got rid of them.
    I could go on, but will leave it and answer any questions.

    • TeeJaw

      I sold all my film equipment on eBay several years ago. I had a lot of Zone VI stuff and it all went too. Most of it went to buyers in China. Kodak is pretty much out of business. The world is full of people who never owned a film SLR and have never heard of Kodachrome or Tri-X. Zone VI and Fred Picker are fond memories of a different time.

      Digital has opened the door for a lot of people to make good photographs who were not ever going to be interested in the technical details of darkroom work or large format cameras.

      • Bloosky

        You are so right you are completely wrong. Separate digital from film and perhaps there is a chance you will have seen a difference, although judging by your comment I still doubt it. Aside all the good that digital has certainly brought into the field of photography, the medium has become a factory of mediocrity like never seen before, including the majority of photo magazine becoming a complete garbage from aesthetic sens (rest of covered topic just as much). But one needs to disconnect Fred from the what went on those days. He was not a great photographer, but made a hell of a difference in shooting style and technical approach of many, who later managed to become quite accomplished in a photographic sense. Fred was NOT and is NOT a mere fond memory. Film photography is well and growing stronger for a reason. Fred is one of them.

      • TeeJaw

        Everything always come back in some measure. Vinyl records and vacuum tube amplifiers have been rediscovered in little pockets of enthusiasts.

        • True in my case for sure. I have been collecting and playing vinyl for about ten years. Sadly though, I do not have a McIntosh tube amp. It is more important to pay off my house first.

    • Bloosky

      Totally agree with Fred’s photographic shortcomings. The good he’d done for the field still far outweighs his outrageous claims of being FINE and making FINE. I even doubt his actual technical finesse he was alluding to all the time, but still made a big difference in how many of his students measured and processed, both still needed to free oneself from technical overwhelmingness in order to focus on the subject and its interpretation. He is still at the top of the list as far influence on development of photography, even if he’d brought nothing new to the field, or that he made some ideas sound like his own.

      • TeeJaw

        Fred’s theory that you need to do something a few thousand times to be really good at it is something he believed. He’s mostly right, except for those few with natural talent.

    • Very interesting. I was one of the original orders for the 4×5. The fellow that is on Fred’s video kept telling me that it was “just about ready to ship”. Finally, I FedExed a cancellation letter with a hyphenated four letter word to describe the run around I had gotten. One of his employees called to apologize and begged me to accept one that they were ready to send. I used it for a few years. Then went to an RH Phillips 8×10 and never looked back. The rest of the stuff Fred came up with was real good and helpful.

    • Joe Baldwin

      Tedric, I have heard about Fred’s Beaver Pond photos but have never seen any on line. Actually I have seen very few of his photographs on line except the ones that are in his “Fine print” and other books he published. Considering the many years he photographed he must have thousands of photographs.
      Don’t guess by any chance you know of a web site that has some of his photographs? I have searched extensively and have yet to see any.


  • Don

    Thanks for publishing these notes; I subscribed to the newsletter and loved reading Picker’s views on consistency and record keeping with the goal of making photos a joy rather than a continuing technical hassle. Though I was a 35mm guy, I wanted to bring the Zone discipline into my shooting and printing. Picker’s writings convinced me to standardize on one film-developer-paper combo, and to buy a cold-light head for my enlarger.

    The need to earn a living and focus on people, rather than spend hours alone in a darkroom, led me to give up B&W photography, but I still miss the creative pleasure. It seems digital photography is all about Photoshop, and the creation of hundreds of nearly identical, bland images (including the paradox of images manipulated to make them so technically perfect that their brilliance appears otherworldly and, therefore, unconvincing). We see so many digital images online now, that it’s hard to think there’s anything special about any image at all. And then there’s the miraculous digital photo-frame, which convinces us not to study any image at all because 500 other images are coming up at 30-second intervals. I won’t go at all into Pinterest.

    During the time I was an avid photographer, I also read the collected notebooks of the novelist Thomas Wolfe. He took a tour of Italy and, like any American, was overwhelmed by the beauty of the thousands of paintings, drawings and sculptures he viewed in museums across Italy. But he was left fatigued by it all, and wrote that when everything is beautiful, then nothing is beautiful anymore. Through the amazing gift of museum collections, his aesthetic sensibility was sated and dulled.

    That’s what I think digital photo technology is doing to us as a culture. Photoshop and similar programs can make even the most insipid image – like the example above of Picker’s beaver ponds? – look technically brilliant. We’ve all seen how the level of female beauty has been skewed by Photoshopped images that try to convince us there are women alive who are impossibly beautiful – otherworldly beautiful. The superabundance of technically gorgeous images of people, products, landscapes, etc., leaves me – as U2 sang in the 90s – “numb” rather than delighted. I can experience Wolfe’s dilemma not by taking a two-week tour of Italy, but simply by going online for a few hours. It makes me look wistfully back at the just- finished photo age, when we had to work so hard – all through the photo-making process- to generate just a few images that pleased us enough to share with the world.

  • TeeJaw

    Don, There is wisdom in your statement that “when everything is beautiful nothing is beautiful.” There must be night or day would be meaningless. There’s a quote from Daniel Woodrell, from his novel, Woe To Live On: “If all meals were dessert, you’d yearn for a cold potato.”

  • I have been a Fred Picker fan since the mid 80’s. I bought one of the first 4×5’s, have a Zone VI spot meter and darkroom. I now use mostly digital(D800E), but still use 35 & 8×10 film sometimes. I did talk to Fred a couple of times. He was short and to the point. No chatter. I am finally coming to Vt for a visit in October. Will be visiting all round where Fred’s tripod marks might be found. Looking forward to it.

    • TeeJaw

      You’re right, Fred was not a chatter box. Some people might have been put off by his terse demeanor, but those who made the effort to stick with him were rewarded. He would help you all he could if you showed the least bit of talent. One of the sweetest of his many qualities was his ability to see the sublime beauty that may exist in ordinary things.

  • bruce nicoll

    Hi TeeJaw good to read your diary I attended a workshop in 1977 it was for me a memorable and very amusing time! Dave Usher, Wes Disney,the aforementioned Susan Barron ( who showed some lovely little prints),Tim Frazier and Martin Tarter,were all fine photographers and really covered all the bases from art to zen!
    Lil Farber was the organisational motor and Fred was…….. err.. Fred!
    One afternoon,while we were all wandering around a church and graveyard “Desperately Seeking Snaps”, I had set my tripod mounted Rollie beside me (pointing nowhere in particular)and was chatting to another workshopper Walter “Killer” Kowalski (a notorious bad boy wrestler from the 50’s and 60’s….and very nice guy) when Fred came up, peered down the viewfinder,and pronounced that it was a well seen composition and looked forward to seeing a print.I thanked him for his compliment, he smiled and left to dispense compositional blessings to some other fortunate . Walter and I then had a look at my potential masterpiece …..and decided that on the whole it wasn’t worth pressing the shutter.
    Fred was very good at distilling the basics of the zone system and his emphasis on separating the mechanics from the art of photography was spot on. I will always remember his mantra that too many photographers were Creative when they should be Mechanical and Mechanical when they should be Creative.
    When Fred was right about something he was 100% right, but he did talk a fair bit of bollocks about matters scientific.
    Some of his photos were pretty good but I have to say the majority weren’t that hot.IMHO!
    The workshops however were fantastic! He and his team covered all the bases…facilities , locations ,a great mix of instructors and students, really good food and an ambiance that had a real buzz .
    I still have most of his newsletters which i reread every now and again….he definitely had a way with words……and there are many pearls of wisdom that still apply to the digital age.
    All I can say is that I would love to repeat the experience!

    • TeeJaw

      Thanks, Bruce, for your contribution to this page.

    • Joe G. Baldwin

      Bruce, By any chance do you have the final Newsletter? I am trying, here and there to build a collection of all of Fred’s newsletters. I have almost half but I certainly would like to have the last one which I think is 83.
      I called Zone VI way back in the mid 80s to ask about a product and couldn’t believe that Fred answered! We had a nice conversation and he was really generous with his time. Although I didn’t know him personally, I really admired his photography and his devotion to it.

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  • David Speltz

    Amazing people are still talking about Fred. A few of us are setting up a Zone VI darkroom with Fred’s equipment in Dover, NH (along with his 4×5, 8×10 a digital lab and studio). Most will want to use the digital lab and studio. Some of us will be using the cameras and darkroom. Fred lives. And some of his students will never forget.

    • TeeJaw

      Fred inspired us with his enthusiasm for black and white photography and for me and a lot of others those were good times of our lives. First learning photography and darkroom felt like something close to magical. Fred reinforced those attitudes. I can’t think of him without smiling longingly.

  • Joe Baldwin

    Fred was one of the best B&W Photographers of all time, and certainly the best B&W Photography teacher ever. I am still learning from his newsletters!! And no photographer has ever been as blunt about the misinformation and poor quality of many photography suppliers products. His commitment to B&W photography was unsurpassed and inspired many of us to do our best and never stop trying.

  • Robert McConnell

    The photography department at Colby College in Maine uses Zone VI darkroom equipment, including the equipment I donated to them. I now live in a very small house with no space for a darkroom and figured Colby College would put the equipment to much better use than me storing it in my basement.
    I wish I had attended on of his classes, sounds like I would have become a much better photographer.

    • TeeJaw

      Well, now Robert there is digital photography and the equipment is a lot cheaper and the results are not only instantly accessible, there are more ways to manipulate them. You can put your imagination and creativity to work a little easier than when you needed a darkroom. You can have a digital darkroom on a table top. Or, check out Mr. Spelz’s comment below.

  • For those in Southeast NH and ME, Camera Commons in Dover ( has a Fred Picker darkroom available to members.

    • TeeJaw

      That is very cool.

  • Todd Foster

    Great stuff. I was in the 1980 workshop and am heavy back into 4X5 black and white since I retired. Fred was inspirational. Had his videos transferred to DVD. Watch them once a year. Using my original Z VI mod Soligor spotmeter and wonderful Paul Horowitz compensating dev timer. Paul was in the 1980 workshop. No more XXX in HC110 or graded paper. Using TMX in XTOL and the fabulous VCFB papers from Freestyle in P20. Best materials in the history of photog IMO.

    Really enjoyed the workshop diary excerpt! Takes me right back. Please post more.

    Best, Todd F.

    • TeeJaw

      Fred left his mark, as can be seen by the comments here. I envy you sticking with film. I’ve found it wonderful that no matter what new thing comes along there will always those who might use the new and still keep the old alive. I’m sure that, like me, you thought it was a miracle the first time you saw one of your prints come to life in a chemical tray. Learning film photography and darkroom developing was nirvana.
      Thanks for you comment, Todd.

  • Joe Baldwin

    I am in a similar situation as you. I retired a couple of years ago and now have time to get back to 4×5, and have always been a fan of Fred. I have all his newsletters and find them very inspirational also. I started back with Ilford Delta 100, needed a little more speed, went to Tri-x but didn’t like the grain (didn’t like it in the 80s either), and then went to T-max 100 which I really like but it seems to have some big variations when development time/temp is changed a small amount. You are using xtol, how is that working for you and what is your time/temp?
    It is great to be back to film after 15 years of digital.

    • TeeJaw

      I commend you, Joe, for going back to film. I’m now so deep into digital I can’t go back. Sold all my darkroom equipment a while back, most of which I ended up shipping to China. I don’t if they prefer it to digital or if they don’t have digital available. I can’t imagine they don’t have digital since they make almost everything Americans use these days.

      My memories of the Putney School and Fred Picker are some of the best I have. His philosophy that you have to do something a lot of times, like say 5,000, before you get good at it stays with me. Maybe not 5,000, and I temper that with the saying that,“Practice does not make perfect, practice rather makes permanent.” So you need perfect practice to make perfect. Even then, you still won’t be perfect, but you’ll be as close as you can get.

  • Todd Foster

    Joe, obviously I support what you are doing since that’s what I am doing!

    On TMX, I’m using Xtol, but the Eco Pro version of it from Freestyle. The Kodak version leaves some white particles that take forever to dissolve. Using it 1 + 1, development is 16 mins at 68 degrees, with 10 sec agitation per minute with film hangers flat in trays. Using the 4 up hangers with cross bars cut off to fit in trays. It’s moderate tray rocking agitation in all directions. Since I’m using the compensating timer, I just set it for 16 mins and it reduces actual time with higher temps. Or use a time/temp chart to get time for your temp of course. But you need to do a speed and development time test for neg densities as Fred recommends. I have densitometer got for under $40 on ebay. They are cheap now! I use it routinely for checks of highs and lows even on wet negs in mylar sleeve just to confirm that I’m getting zones I wanted. Very helpful, especially when vetting a new film, developer, shutter or light meter. Speedy and simple.

    If you haven’t tried it, buy some of the 4 X 5 100 ASA Arista.Edu film, also in Xtol 1 + 1. So, so much cheaper than TMX and it looks real good on my initial tests with it. Will be using it more broadly this week. The Arista.Edu VCFB paper is insanely good and cheap too. I like it in Clayton P20, which is on Freestyle online but not in their print catalog. I suggest using these products if you are starting back with film and wet darkroom. Just pick up a now very cheap dichroic color head for your enlarger and you’re set for a great experience.

    P.S. I have no problem with temp variation developing TMX. Guess the compensating timer is doing it’s job. Before I had it I developed film at room temp so no temp drift of significance. Used universal time temp chart from Ilford Manual and that worked. Went up to 75 degrees with no problems.

  • Joe Baldwin

    Thanks for the info. I will try the Arista film and Eco Pro developer. I am glad to see there are a few new B&W products on the market. The selection is quite limited compared to the 80s and 90s when there was so many films/papers/developer to chose from.

    And I am glad there are still a few of us trying to get back into B&W. I have been all digital since about 2000 but missed the entire B&W process and got back in. I think I am enjoying it more now than back in the day!!

    Take Care and thanks again.

  • Todd Foster

    To see Fred Picker images, suggest you go to and order used copies of Fred’s books or any other photographer you like. I’ve gotten good copies for $4 or $5 including shipping. So cheap I cut images I like out and dry mount them just like an original print. Under lights, these are great to see and study. Amazing how much more like a real print they are this way instead of floppy pages with odd reflections in a book.

    I just got the DVD of the Ric Burns American Experience documentary on Ansel Adams on ebay for $9.99 including shipping. It’s really terrific, a mini biography and summary of his life work and career. Next for me is the documentary on Brett Weston by Art Wright, the original movie film shooter. Ventana Editions is the seller, $25 for DVD.

    • TeeJaw

      That’s good information Todd, thanks!

  • I enjoyed reading this! There are many, many good things to say about Fred. He singlehandedly created a new interest and market in large format. When I decided to start shooting large format (after using a 4×5 for a semester in college), he and Zone VI were the perfect source of equipment and information.

    I still use a Zone VI tripod for my 8×10 Wisner and have the smaller Zone VI tripod as a backup. The second version of his photo paper (Brilliant Bromide II) is probably the best paper I’ve ever used. His soft cases for 8×10 film holders (I have four!) are excellent and I’ve had lots of other photographers tell me they wish they’d bought them. And his printwasher – I use it constantly. One day I’ll have to make a guesstimate of how many thousands of prints I’ve put through it.

    I spoke with Fred on the phone several times and he was always helpful and kind.

    On the other hand, I really disliked his attitude that if it wasn’t Zone VI it was crap, LOL.Yes, as one of your posters said, he did have an us vs. them attitude.

    But I take my hat off to a remarkable man who started a photography revolution and will always be appreciated by me and a lot of others.

    • TeeJaw

      Thanks for your comment, William. I’m glad you enjoyed reading the post and the comments. Fred Picker left many of us with fond memories.

  • Joe Baldwin

    I still believe that Fred Picker was the best B&W teacher ever. His down to earth techniques and clear, concise methods I always thought were very easy to follow and learn. I enjoyed many of his photographs and bought several items from Zone VI that I thought were very good. However his absolute belief that the Zone VI tripod was the “Best Damn Tripod in the world” was quite a stretch. Personally I thought it was the worst tripod I have ever used. Bulky, sticky legs, legs that won’t tighten down, difficult to elevate and lower, cumbersome to carry, not very versatile when it came to heads you could use and heavy. Not my cup of tea but many really liked it.

    • TeeJaw

      I have that tripod as well. I get along with it OK, but like most of us, Fred Picker had a few quirks.

      • Todd Foster

        Yes Picker was an equipment dealer as well as a popularizer of what to many seemed an arcane, difficult form of photography: large format black and white film, mostly for landscapes and the natural scene. Many of us were inspired by Edward Weston prints and spectacular Ansel Adams Sierra landscapes to believe that we too could do great work. Picker’s catalogs and newsletters were enticing. Unfortunately the personal demands of this kind of photography were and are far more onerous than it appeared. Adams said 10 years was a reasonable span for real competence, which means personal vision highly developed.

        Picker’s little book made the zone system clear to me, and he wrote and taught simple ways to enable adequate control of exposure and development. Beyond this though, as in any art form, you were on your own. As with landscape painting, which I’ve also done, the simple techniques seem to imply an ease which is actually not there. Short of the years of struggle prescribed by Adams, one remains on the hobbiest and camera club level. Nothing wrong with that, and a good time was had by many, but that’s how it is.

        Picker seemed to be more irasible and impatient in his later years. Maybe he’d done too many workshops, which were a key part of his business. I think he’s best remembered as he was at his best in the several field and darkroom videos he made. Sure they were promoting his gear for sale and his personal approach. But he was most believably walking the walk, inspiringly doing what he loved. This endures for me most strongly. I had those VCR tapes transferred to DVD so I can revisit them once in a while.

        As for the Zone VI gear, I found their wooden view cameras, and everyone elses, to be rattletraps. The front standard has to be loose in the rails to prevent sticking with humidity variations. When I realized this back in the day I sold my semi antique 4 X5 and 5 X 7 wood cameras and switched to metal. Never owned a Z VI camera. I am still using my metal 4 X 5 Toyo field and Sinar Alpina. IMO the best Zone VI gear was the cold light stabilizers and the compensating development timer designed by Paul Horowitz. I had the pleasure of meeting him at the 1980 Zone VI workshop. This gear is still available used, along with modified spot meters, still working wonderfully well some 30 years later.

        There’s a stream of Z VI cameras on ebay these days, mostly I suspect from largely unused closet caches. The heavy wood tripods seem to be dropping in price too. I may get one at a low price to use right close to my car trunk with my heavy Alpina, especially with extention rail and massive 20″ process lens.

        I want to repeat my opinion in an earlier post that current black and white film and paper are far and away the best ever made. I find them stunningly better than those in Picker’s and Adams’ days, specifically T grain 4 X5 film and variable contrast fiber papers. They are far more costly because now made for specialist users alone, but magnificent, a boon even for beginners.

  • ljevans01

    I think I might have been there for the same session in 1986! If they had more than one week-long workshop maybe not, but I was there that summer. Wow that was great, I learned so much. Now I’m retired and have more time, I’m going back into it. Trying hard to find a Zone VI 11×14 print washer to buy. I know there are other good ones out there, but I want a Zone VI because of nostalgia for that time and for Fred. It was a life-changer, at least as far as my photography, that workshop. I hauled a 4×5 monorail view camera across the country to that workshop!!! That’s all I had, it was fairly new and I was learning how to use it! Pretty amazing. Thanks!

    • TeeJaw

      I could be wrong but I believe there was only one workshop that summer so you were probably there the same time I was. Glad it was as good an experience for you as it was for me.

  • Jeff Horne

    I attended the last Zone VI workshop in 1992. I found it to be very stimulating, with a constant stream of images every day being displayed. Like you I thought the food was great. The accommodations were rustic but tolerable, I had a single room which was a little quieter. Fred was a good teacher, but farmed a lot of the lectures out to his staff. A high point was Fred demonstrating printing a negative in his own darkroom. I was surprised to see a few light leaks under the door, so I decided not to worry about them in my own darkroom either. I still use my Zone VI tripod a lot, but my Zone VI camera has set unused for many years while working in digital media. I checked the other day and all the film holders are still loaded with film, so maybe I should do something about that. I am curious about how the new 55 P/N film works, but it is very expensive. All in all I have very fond memories of the workshop, and am very glad I went.

  • Todd Foster

    Amazing that this thread lives on! I suggest that everyone here pull out that old 4 X 5 gear and start shooting again. Like I said in an earlier post, materials have never been better. You will be excited to see how much better your prints look if you last worked back in Picker’s XXX in HC-110 on graded paper days. A major reason for your past frustration was those materials.
    I won’t repeat my specific reccos in earlier post.

    And please see and re see Picker’s 3 videos. He’s right there talking to you. I say this is the way to see him at his best. If he was grouchy at times in the flesh, and he was, so be it. These videos show that he was sincere, deep and rich In his appreciation of landscape. They are the strongest way to experience his legacy IMO.

    And cut him some slack. There is no photographer or artist however famous that bats 100% in the eyes of any audience. Make room for individualism, please. I mean, no one person other than you is going to like more than a few of your prints either.

    My darkroom is in a 20′ steel shipping container. Just painted metal roof with rigid insulation below with white solarflex paint, and the 2 sunstruck outside walls. Used steel wall studs to stand off a shade wall of paneling, open top and bottom for venting on the 2 sunny walls. Almost done — looks like a 20+ degree reduction in summer heat. Has been too hot to work in there. Can’t wait to get back to it!

    Best, Todd F.

  • LJ Evans

    YOUR comment, Todd, that materials have never been better, warmed the cockles o’ me heart and provided the motivation and impetus to get my darkroom finished. I’d insisted that I had to HAVE one (after all, where else would I put the Beseler 4×5 enlarger, six-foot sink and all the accoutrements? They’d already been in storage for six years, danged if I was going to leave them there!) when I bought my own little house in 2006, but I didn’t get it operational until this last January. Your comment really did make a big difference. I’d thought that b&w materials were becoming scarce and of poor quality. So I took an advanced class, all film and fiber paper, at my local university, just to kick my rear in gear. It was wonderful, helped me remember how to do many things after more than 15 years off, get my processes in order, and gave me a place to share photographs, talk about photography and look at photographs. It was perfect, and I made a bunch of new friends. This summer I’m taking a class in alternate processes, like lumens, gum printing, van dyke brown and cyanotype. This fall I’m registered for a class called the digital darkroom, where I hope to blend the two threads, using medium and large format film negatives with digital printing techniques.

    So thanks, Todd! Yet another example of you never know when and where you might plant a seed! ❤️

    • Todd Foster


      Thanks a lot and good luck with your work!

      Best, Todd F.